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	[[File:nissanleaf.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|Figure 1. All-electric vehicles, such as the Nissan Leaf, shift the usual emissions from a car to the power plants where the electricity is made.<ref>Image: Wikimedia Commons [Online], Available: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Nissan_Leaf_aan_Amsterdamse_laadpaal.jpg</ref>]]		[[File:nissanleaf.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|Figure 1. All-electric vehicles, such as the Nissan Leaf, shift the usual emissions from a car to the power plants where the electricity is made.<ref>Image: Wikimedia Commons [Online], Available: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Nissan_Leaf_aan_Amsterdamse_laadpaal.jpg</ref>]]

	<onlyinclude>The '''Long tail-pipe problem''' refers to ~~why~~ [[electric vehicle]]s (EVs) ~~still have [[emission]]s due to the emissions~~ from generating the [[electricity]].</onlyinclude> Electricity must be [[electrical generation\|generated]] in a [[power plant]], and most power plants, specifically those powered by [[fossil fuel]]s, emit large amounts of [[carbon dioxide]], [[methane]], and other [[pollutant]]s into the [[atmosphere]]. When an EV charges its [[battery\|batteries]] this electricity comes with these emissions. Therefore, it's imperative the public knows where their [[Energy for electricity by country\|electricity comes from]]. For a rigorous treatment a [[life cycle analysis]] must be done to understand the full impacts of a [[transportation\|vehicle]]'s use. This problem is currently small since a very small fraction of [[transportation energy use]] is electric (see [[energy for transportation by country]]).		<onlyinclude>The '''Long tail-pipe problem''' refers to the emissions from [[electric vehicle]]s (EVs) from generating the [[electricity]] needing to charge them.</onlyinclude> Electricity must be [[electrical generation\|generated]] in a [[power plant]], and most power plants, specifically those powered by [[fossil fuel]]s, emit large amounts of [[carbon dioxide]], [[methane]], and other [[pollutant]]s into the [[atmosphere]]. When an EV charges its [[battery\|batteries]] this electricity comes with these emissions. Therefore, it's imperative the public knows where their [[Energy for electricity by country\|electricity comes from]]. For a rigorous treatment a [[life cycle analysis]] must be done to understand the full impacts of a [[transportation\|vehicle]]'s use. This problem is currently small since a very small fraction of [[transportation energy use]] is electric (see [[energy for transportation by country]]).

	Different power plants have different emissions: [[coal-fired power plant]]s are usually the worst while sources like, [[wind power\|wind]] and [[solar energy\|solar]] and [[nuclear power]], are largely emission free. <Ref>Scientific American. (June 5 2015). ''The Dirty Truth about Plug-in Hybrids, Made Interactive'' [Online]. Available: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interactive-plug-in-hybrids/</ref> If an EV is getting most of its electricity from a coal power plant, it may not actually be cleaner than a normal [[internal combustion engine\|internal combustion vehicle]].<ref>J. Buekers, M. Van Holderbeke, J. Bierkens and L. Panis, ''Health and environmental benefits related to electric vehicle introduction in EU countries'' [Online], Available: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/266450977_Health_and_environmental_benefits_related_to_electric_vehicle_introduction_in_EU_countries</ref> However in most cases, EVs are cleaner than normal [[gasoline]] or [[diesel]] cars and can reduce a person's [[CO2 footprint]].		Different power plants have different emissions: [[coal-fired power plant]]s are usually the worst while sources like, [[wind power\|wind]] and [[solar energy\|solar]] and [[nuclear power]], are largely emission free. <Ref>Scientific American. (June 5 2015). ''The Dirty Truth about Plug-in Hybrids, Made Interactive'' [Online]. Available: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interactive-plug-in-hybrids/</ref> If an EV is getting most of its electricity from a coal power plant, it may not actually be cleaner than a normal [[internal combustion engine\|internal combustion vehicle]].<ref>J. Buekers, M. Van Holderbeke, J. Bierkens and L. Panis, ''Health and environmental benefits related to electric vehicle introduction in EU countries'' [Online], Available: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/266450977_Health_and_environmental_benefits_related_to_electric_vehicle_introduction_in_EU_countries</ref> However in most cases, EVs are cleaner than normal [[gasoline]] or [[diesel]] cars and can reduce a person's [[CO2 footprint]].

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	[[File:nissanleaf.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|Figure 1. All-electric vehicles, such as the Nissan Leaf, shift the usual emissions from a car to the power plants where the electricity is made.<ref>Image: Wikimedia Commons [Online], Available: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Nissan_Leaf_aan_Amsterdamse_laadpaal.jpg</ref>]]		[[File:nissanleaf.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|Figure 1. All-electric vehicles, such as the Nissan Leaf, shift the usual emissions from a car to the power plants where the electricity is made.<ref>Image: Wikimedia Commons [Online], Available: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Nissan_Leaf_aan_Amsterdamse_laadpaal.jpg</ref>]]

	<onlyinclude>The '''Long tail-pipe problem''' refers to why [[electric vehicle]]s (EVs) still have [[emission]]s ~~because of~~ the emissions from generating the [[electricity]].</onlyinclude> Electricity must be [[electrical generation\|generated]] in a [[power plant]], and most power plants, specifically those powered by [[fossil fuel]]s, emit large amounts of [[carbon dioxide]], [[methane]], and other [[pollutant]]s into the [[atmosphere]]. When an EV charges its [[battery\|batteries]] this electricity comes with these emissions. ~~The~~ public ~~needs to know~~ where their [[Energy for electricity by country\|electricity comes from]]. For a rigorous treatment a [[life cycle analysis]] must be done to understand the full impacts of a [[transportation\|vehicle]]'s use. This problem is small ~~though~~ since ~~at the moment~~ a very small fraction of [[transportation energy use]] is electric, see [[energy for transportation by country]].		<onlyinclude>The '''Long tail-pipe problem''' refers to why [[electric vehicle]]s (EVs) still have [[emission]]s due to the emissions from generating the [[electricity]].</onlyinclude> Electricity must be [[electrical generation\|generated]] in a [[power plant]], and most power plants, specifically those powered by [[fossil fuel]]s, emit large amounts of [[carbon dioxide]], [[methane]], and other [[pollutant]]s into the [[atmosphere]]. When an EV charges its [[battery\|batteries]] this electricity comes with these emissions. Therefore, it's imperative the public knows where their [[Energy for electricity by country\|electricity comes from]]. For a rigorous treatment a [[life cycle analysis]] must be done to understand the full impacts of a [[transportation\|vehicle]]'s use. This problem is currently small since a very small fraction of [[transportation energy use]] is electric (see [[energy for transportation by country]]).

	Different power plants have different emissions: [[coal-fired power plant]]s are usually the worst while sources like, [[wind power\|wind]] and [[solar energy\|solar]] and [[nuclear power]], are largely emission free~~; the EV's energy source matters~~.<Ref>Scientific American. (June 5 2015). ''The Dirty Truth about Plug-in Hybrids, Made Interactive'' [Online]. Available: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interactive-plug-in-hybrids/</ref> If an EV is getting most of its electricity from a coal power plant, it may not actually be cleaner than a normal [[internal combustion engine\|internal combustion vehicle]].<ref>J. Buekers, M. Van Holderbeke, J. Bierkens and L. Panis, ''Health and environmental benefits related to electric vehicle introduction in EU countries'' [Online], Available: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/266450977_Health_and_environmental_benefits_related_to_electric_vehicle_introduction_in_EU_countries</ref> However in most cases, EVs are cleaner than normal [[gasoline]] or [[diesel]] cars and can reduce a person's [[CO2 footprint]].		Different power plants have different emissions: [[coal-fired power plant]]s are usually the worst while sources like, [[wind power\|wind]] and [[solar energy\|solar]] and [[nuclear power]], are largely emission free. <Ref>Scientific American. (June 5 2015). ''The Dirty Truth about Plug-in Hybrids, Made Interactive'' [Online]. Available: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interactive-plug-in-hybrids/</ref> If an EV is getting most of its electricity from a coal power plant, it may not actually be cleaner than a normal [[internal combustion engine\|internal combustion vehicle]].<ref>J. Buekers, M. Van Holderbeke, J. Bierkens and L. Panis, ''Health and environmental benefits related to electric vehicle introduction in EU countries'' [Online], Available: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/266450977_Health_and_environmental_benefits_related_to_electric_vehicle_introduction_in_EU_countries</ref> However in most cases, EVs are cleaner than normal [[gasoline]] or [[diesel]] cars and can reduce a person's [[CO2 footprint]].

	From an urban [[pollution]] perspective, electric vehicles almost always reduce the ''local'' emissions within a city or town where it is driving. This comes at the cost of increased emissions in the power plants that are located ''outside'' of cities. This reduction of [[smog]] helps with [[air quality]] in cities, the [[grid]] will need to reduce its [[carbon dioxide]] emissions to effect on [[climate change]].		From an urban [[pollution]] perspective, electric vehicles almost always reduce the ''local'' emissions within a city or town where it is driving. This comes at the cost of increased emissions in the power plants that are located ''outside'' of cities. This reduction of [[smog]] helps with [[air quality]] in cities, the [[grid]] will need to reduce its [[carbon dioxide]] emissions to effect on [[climate change]].
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			==For Further Reading==
			*[[Electric vehicle]]
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	[[File:nissanleaf.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|Figure 1. All-electric vehicles, such as the Nissan Leaf, shift the usual emissions from a car to the power plants where the electricity is made.<ref>Wikimedia Commons [Online], Available: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Nissan_Leaf_aan_Amsterdamse_laadpaal.jpg</ref>]]		[[File:nissanleaf.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|Figure 1. All-electric vehicles, such as the Nissan Leaf, shift the usual emissions from a car to the power plants where the electricity is made.<ref>Image: Wikimedia Commons [Online], Available: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Nissan_Leaf_aan_Amsterdamse_laadpaal.jpg</ref>]]

	<onlyinclude>'''Long tail-pipe problem''' ~~is an argument against the "zero emissions" claim of~~ [[electric vehicle]]s (EVs)~~, which says that although there are no~~ [[emission]]s ~~from~~ the ~~actual operation of an all-electric vehicle, there is associated~~ emissions from the [[electricity]] ~~they are using~~.</onlyinclude> Electricity must be [[electrical generation\|generated]] in a [[power plant]], and most power plants, specifically those powered by [[fossil fuel]]s, emit large amounts of [[carbon dioxide]], [[methane]], and other [[pollutant]]s into the [[atmosphere]]. ~~The long tail-pipe problem says that when~~ an EV charges its [[battery\|batteries]]~~, it is using~~ this electricity ~~and therefore associating itself~~ with these emissions. ~~Because of this, it is important for the~~ public to know where their electricity comes from~~, and~~ a [[life cycle analysis]] ~~should always~~ be ~~considered~~ for ~~such products~~.		<onlyinclude>The '''Long tail-pipe problem''' refers to why [[electric vehicle]]s (EVs) still have [[emission]]s because of the emissions from generating the [[electricity]].</onlyinclude> Electricity must be [[electrical generation\|generated]] in a [[power plant]], and most power plants, specifically those powered by [[fossil fuel]]s, emit large amounts of [[carbon dioxide]], [[methane]], and other [[pollutant]]s into the [[atmosphere]]. When an EV charges its [[battery\|batteries]] this electricity comes with these emissions. The public needs to know where their [[Energy for electricity by country\|electricity comes from]]. For a rigorous treatment a [[life cycle analysis]] must be done to understand the full impacts of a [[transportation\|vehicle]]'s use. This problem is small though since at the moment a very small fraction of [[transportation energy use]] is electric, see [[energy for transportation by country]].

	~~Since different~~ power plants have different emissions~~, with~~ [[coal-fired power plant]]s ~~being~~ the worst while ~~[[renewable energy]]~~ sources like [[wind]] and [[solar energy]] are the ~~among the cleanest, it~~ matters ~~where the car is getting its electricity~~.<Ref>Scientific American. (June 5 2015). ''The Dirty Truth about Plug-in Hybrids, Made Interactive'' [Online]. Available: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interactive-plug-in-hybrids/</ref> If an EV is getting most of its electricity from a coal power plant, it may not actually be cleaner than a normal [[internal combustion engine\|internal combustion vehicle]].<ref>J. Buekers, M. Van Holderbeke, J. Bierkens and L. Panis, ''Health and environmental benefits related to electric vehicle introduction in EU countries'' [Online], Available: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/266450977_Health_and_environmental_benefits_related_to_electric_vehicle_introduction_in_EU_countries</ref> However in most cases, EVs are cleaner than normal [[gasoline]] or [[diesel]] cars and can reduce ~~the~~ [[CO2 footprint]] ~~of a person~~.		Different power plants have different emissions: [[coal-fired power plant]]s are usually the worst while sources like, [[wind power\|wind]] and [[solar energy\|solar]] and [[nuclear power]], are largely emission free; the EV's energy source matters.<Ref>Scientific American. (June 5 2015). ''The Dirty Truth about Plug-in Hybrids, Made Interactive'' [Online]. Available: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interactive-plug-in-hybrids/</ref> If an EV is getting most of its electricity from a coal power plant, it may not actually be cleaner than a normal [[internal combustion engine\|internal combustion vehicle]].<ref>J. Buekers, M. Van Holderbeke, J. Bierkens and L. Panis, ''Health and environmental benefits related to electric vehicle introduction in EU countries'' [Online], Available: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/266450977_Health_and_environmental_benefits_related_to_electric_vehicle_introduction_in_EU_countries</ref> However in most cases, EVs are cleaner than normal [[gasoline]] or [[diesel]] cars and can reduce a person's [[CO2 footprint]].

	~~Although~~ electric vehicles ~~can~~ reduce the ''local'' emissions within a city or town where it is driving~~, this~~ comes at the cost of increased emissions in the power plants that are located ''outside'' of cities. This ~~can help~~ with ~~inner city~~ [[~~pollution~~]] ~~problems~~, ~~but it is far from a solution~~ to emissions ~~and their~~ effect on [[climate change]].		From an urban [[pollution]] perspective, electric vehicles almost always reduce the ''local'' emissions within a city or town where it is driving. This comes at the cost of increased emissions in the power plants that are located ''outside'' of cities. This reduction of [[smog]] helps with [[air quality]] in cities, the [[grid]] will need to reduce its [[carbon dioxide]] emissions to effect on [[climate change]].

	==Where ~~do you~~ get ~~your~~ electricity?==		==Where does each country get electricity?==
	The simulation below shows what sort of power plants generate electricity in each country. This can be used to gauge the cleanness of an electric vehicle in a given location.		The simulation below shows what sort of power plants generate electricity in each country. This can be used to gauge the cleanness of an electric vehicle in a given location.

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[[File:nissanleaf.jpg|300px|thumb|Figure 1. All-electric vehicles, such as the Nissan Leaf, shift the usual emissions from a car to the power plants where the electricity is made.<ref>Wikimedia Commons [Online], Available: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Nissan_Leaf_aan_Amsterdamse_laadpaal.jpg</ref>]]

<onlyinclude>'''Long tail-pipe problem''' is an argument against the "zero emissions" claim of [[electric vehicle]]s (EVs), which says that although there are no [[emission]]s from the actual operation of an all-electric vehicle, there is associated emissions from the [[electricity]] they are using.</onlyinclude> Electricity must be [[electrical generation|generated]] in a [[power plant]], and most power plants, specifically those powered by [[fossil fuel]]s, emit large amounts of [[carbon dioxide]], [[methane]], and other [[pollutant]]s into the [[atmosphere]]. The long tail-pipe problem says that when an EV charges its [[battery|batteries]], it is using this electricity and therefore associating itself with these emissions. Because of this, it is important for the public to know where their electricity comes from, and a [[life cycle analysis]] should always be considered for such products.

Since different power plants have different emissions, with [[coal-fired power plant]]s being the worst while [[renewable energy]] sources like [[wind]] and [[solar energy]] are the among the cleanest, it matters where the car is getting its electricity.<Ref>Scientific American. (June 5 2015). ''The Dirty Truth about Plug-in Hybrids, Made Interactive'' [Online]. Available: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interactive-plug-in-hybrids/</ref> If an EV is getting most of its electricity from a coal power plant, it may not actually be cleaner than a normal [[internal combustion engine|internal combustion vehicle]].<ref>J. Buekers, M. Van Holderbeke, J. Bierkens and L. Panis, ''Health and environmental benefits related to electric vehicle introduction in EU countries'' [Online], Available: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/266450977_Health_and_environmental_benefits_related_to_electric_vehicle_introduction_in_EU_countries</ref> However in most cases, EVs are cleaner than normal [[gasoline]] or [[diesel]] cars and can reduce the [[CO2 footprint]] of a person.

Although electric vehicles can reduce the ''local'' emissions within a city or town where it is driving, this comes at the cost of increased emissions in the power plants that are located ''outside'' of cities. This can help with inner city [[pollution]] problems, but it is far from a solution to emissions and their effect on [[climate change]].

==Where do you get your electricity?==
The simulation below shows what sort of power plants generate electricity in each country. This can be used to gauge the cleanness of an electric vehicle in a given location.

<html><iframe class='charts-iframe' scrolling='no' id='world-energy'></iframe></html>

==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Uploaded]]